The Trouble with -- Wikinut---CORRECTED!!!

kaylarStarred Page By kaylar, 22nd Aug 2011 | Follow this author | RSS Feed | Short URL http://nut.bz/mne318n0/
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A review of the writing site, Wikinuts, with reference to its positives and negatives

Opening

Wikinut is the newest site in the panorama of those previously examined.

It is the only one, of Triond, Bukisa, Hubpages, and Xomba to have human moderators.

Factoidz begins with moderation, eventually promotes the writer to Staff where there is no official moderation; only a slap down.

Human moderation is vital. It insures that before an item is published a mammal has seen it, read it, and passed it.

The Importance of Mammals in Publishing

Certain tasks can not be designated to A.I. Arbitrating writing is one of them.

It is simplicity itself, as Triond has proven, for absolute garbage to be published.

The reason I distinguish Triond and not Hubpages, et.al is that it had begun with human moderation which it replaced with crap software.

The writers of Triond, appreciating that without human eyes to vet submissions, crap would be published bringing down the entire site, began to submit garbage. They believed the owners would react.

This didn't happen.

Hence, Triond declined from what it was, to what it has become; a Content Farm.

Human moderators are vital to prevent substandard work, advertisements masquerading as articles, and other items which bring down the tone of a site.

Wikinut by having human moderation insures that the standards are kept, and crap is not allowed to see the light of page. Further, when each Mod has to affix his or her name to the page this becomes a kind of 'tell'. That is, if one Mod has a problem with a particular writer and never gives their pages a Star (even when
the other three articles in the series received Stars from another Mod) it becomes a bit obvious.

Maybe a bit too much?

When an author seeks to 'edit' their work, whether correcting misspellings, grammar, or adding a section, the item has to be remoderated.

One might justify this in reference to new writers or those whose work is questionable, but seasoned members who have garnered a few thousand 'nut points' should be trusted enough to do their own housekeeping, Save and Except.
when an item is being improved for the gifting of a 'Star'.

And where it Counts?

Previous to January 2012 almost every article had a pile of spam entered as 'Comments'.

Until January an author had absolutely no way of removing these unpaid advertisements which cheapened the writing and the site.

Those who pay for advertisements will, when they become aware of the prevalence of Spam, might reconsider paying to advertise when they can do so for free.

This problem was corrected, so that authors NOW have the right to remove comments, as exists on Triond and Hubpages.

Community

Previously, there was no place on Wikinut where writers could communicate.

An off site forum was established to fill this need. Perhaps it should be 'officially' recognised and made a 'stickie' on the site so that all writers can use it, however; recently the innovation of allowing writers to send messages has been almost hesitantly implemented; hopefully it will become a permanent feature.

A bit more transparency?

The only remaining problem is that Writers have no idea which articles attract the higher revenue, from where their hits are coming, whether geographically or via search/discovery channels.

There seems no 'logic' in the calculation of revenue.

This lack of transparency can not be resolved as there is no way to contract the owner of the site and gain this information. That inability to gain a response leaves writers feeling insecure and disdained.

There is no 'official' admission as to which pages gain more revenue, and many times one notes that yesterday one got .333 with 543 hits and today one received .432 with 539 hits.

$$$ Aside

Wikinut is currently the best writing site available.

It is not a Content Farm, it does not support the kind of SEO/Keyword rubbish which turns every sentence into a meaningless phrase only a computer would love.

The possibilites of building on the current favour it enjoys is not a complex process. There is nothing to 'remove' only to add.

And Add Wikinut HAS

It has added the ability of authors to remove comments; both the current Spam and expected Trolling.

It has added the ability to send messages.

All it needs to do is exposing the value attracted by articles of different genres which would entice the writing in those 'higher money' areas as well as revealing the origin of hits.

Currently the writers on the site are of a particularly high standard, both in the production of work and in human interaction.

As long as this level is maintained, Wikinut will continue to be the best writing site.

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author avatar Steve Kinsman
22nd Aug 2011 (#)

Great, objective article, kaylar. Your suggestion for a 'stickie' for a forum is excellent. I love wikinut and think its positives far outweigh its negatives, but I wish we could have the power to delete certian comments from our pages, and I think the cyberstalker on here who constantly harasses one of our writers should be terminated.

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author avatar kaylar
22nd Aug 2011 (#)

I'd like to find the cyberstalker and deal with it. What I find is the danger of having so much spam. as I said in the article, why should anyone pay to put an ad on these sites when they can do it for free?

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author avatar Peter B. Giblett
23rd Aug 2011 (#)

I believe that ultimately there needs to be a combination of human and software checking. Software can initially check originality. but that is where it ends.

I agree there is all too much material that is sub-standard and indeed have written on this subject; see:

http://writinghood.com/style/recent-reading-and-english-bloopers-we-all-need-to-improve/

and

http://www.wikinut.com/quantity-or-quality%3a-the-mark-of-a-good-column/gzwho0.5/e95jvbim/

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author avatar kaylar
23rd Aug 2011 (#)

I almost always go over my work after it's published. Sometimes it's the bloopers, sometimes it is the fact that it was clearer when I wrote than it is now that I'm reading it.

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author avatar mbaratta83
23rd Aug 2011 (#)

Is it really true that there is no human moderating for Triond articles? It would make sense with all the inexplicable articles I've read in only a couple days. I heartily agree with the ability to remove spam comments; only one of my articles has a comment, and you guessed it, it's spam!

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author avatar kaylar
23rd Aug 2011 (#)

There is no human moderation. There was about two years ago. They switched to a crappy piece of software. That is why anything goes.

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author avatar Mark Gordon Brown
23rd Aug 2011 (#)

Hi Wikinut boys and girls.
Great page little sloth kaylar. Triond indeed has fallen, and it has hurt the good writers the most, I know my own views are less than half what they use to be.
Having real human moderators does help, but we are not perfect either - some bad pages have gone through, eventally we catch the fact that the person is cheating and try to backtrack and remove the bad pages.
One thing that is tough is we have to realize not everyone's first language is English - its a fine line to reject a page for bad grammar or to accept it.
Alot of time we, as moderators, send notes to the writers offering tips for improvements - most writers ignore these, maybe they dont even see them - their loss.
One more thing in regard to payments, I think its fair to assume poetry and stories pay less than anything.

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author avatar Peter B. Giblett
23rd Aug 2011 (#)

Mark, I do think that quality writing does help. Although I do not receive as many page views on Triond as I do here each read is actually worth more and I am regularly paid there. My readership is currently growing both on Triond and on Wikinut and I think that this is a testament to good writing.

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author avatar Mark Gordon Brown
23rd Aug 2011 (#)

oh.. about the spam comments, since links are not clickable they are really not good advertising. I have contacted Sam to see what they can do about this though.

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author avatar kaylar
23rd Aug 2011 (#)

Thanks Mark. What I think, is when a person writes in their second language, and it is glaringly wrong, the page should not be published.

It doesn't help the writer, it doesn't help the site, and the notes...I know lots of times I don't see the notes or follow them...but in those cases, the notes must be followed.

I have read a few of those kinds of pages, and some of it is cut and paste from another publication, linked together with poor grammar.

Two years ago, needing writers, we could have taken all comers. Today, we can be more selective.

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author avatar Peter B. Giblett
23rd Aug 2011 (#)

It is not so much about not taking all comers, but about being selective on the quality of what is published that counts. A new writer will need to cut their teeth somewhere and there should be an opportunity to encourage them.

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author avatar kaylar
23rd Aug 2011 (#)

What Factoidz did to gain it's 'prestigious' position was to be very selective. This got it a certain recognition. We can take that page from Factoidz book...only that pge...for Factoidz is a Ponzi.

Hits have declined by 50% on Triond as it is a Content Farm.

This means that anything from Triond starts with a minus.

For example, let suppose I was searching for 'red socks'

You wrote an article about Red Socks on Triond. Your item does not 'score' 100%. Your item has a 15% deduction for being on Triond, so it scores at 85%

All other items, from blogs or websites which hve Rd Socks in the title or tags will come before your own, so that "Red and White Socks" "Washing coloured socks, especially Red" will be on the first 3 pages of a Google.
Your article is on page 4

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author avatar Songbird B
28th Aug 2011 (#)

Great page, Kaylar, and really interesting comments made to...Thank you so much for publishing this...

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author avatar richardpeeej
28th Aug 2011 (#)

Yes I agree with Songbird I used to use Triond but now just use Wikinut...A very interesting and informative read Kaylar..thanks for sharing...

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author avatar kaylar
29th Aug 2011 (#)

Thanks guys. I think we need a place to talk with the Owner and give our ideas.

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author avatar Peter B. Giblett
29th Aug 2011 (#)

I agree that feedback in any community like this is essential. It is the users way of alerting the owners of potential problems. We can write articles but that has limited readership and will not necessarily be read by those that should read them. We can alert moderators, but they are not employed by Wikinut. So a feedback mechanism is essential.

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author avatar kaylar
22nd Jan 2012 (#)

I note that the ability to communicate with each other to a form has been implemented

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